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Electrotren freight wagons

Elctrorten recently delivered a few new Danish freight wagons.

I was wondering wether number 1479K DSB Hbikks-tt and number 1599K DSB Hbikks are modelled after the real Danish wagons or that they are in fact German wagons with Danish decals on it.

So, if I want to have only [u]real[/u] Danish models, should I buy these wagons or should I avoid them?

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First of all. - Welcome to the forum, Gert.

I don't know very much about the Electrotren wagons, I got just one locomotive, from the brand Electrotren.

Thomas Voller has the wagons you're asking about, link to his blog where he tells about his found of these wagons:

http://modeltog.voller.dk/weblog/link/default.aspx?id=98

I'm pretty sure he will be kind to you, and answer if you write to him in his guestbook there.

However, he's a member here too - but I think (as I think with almost everyone else), they are more active on their own homepages, than on other's. Just a guess. Smile

Good luck while searching your answer!

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Thank you Arne. As a matter of fact I've been in contact with Tomas before, so I will just visit his website again.

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Da' Gert.

"Gert" skrev:
So, if I want to have only [u]real[/u] Danish models, should I buy these wagons or should I avoid them?

Du siger jo, du kan læse dansk - så nu får du svaret på dansk, så må vi jo håbe, du ikke svarer på hollandsk. Wink Iøvrigt har jeg det på samme måde: Jeg kan som regel godt komme ret langt på hollandsk, når jeg læser det - men når nogen taler det...

Anyway, vognene har jo eksisteret - så det er mest op til dig selv, om du synes, modellen er præcis nok. Der er dog vist almindelig enighed om, at det ikke er de heldigste modeller - og at Kleins gamle model er meget bedre.

Du kan se billeder af begge hos Peter Jonasen, og du kan også læse følgende gamle debat fra Usenet.

Så må resten vist være op til dig selv.

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Hoi Lars,

Ik wil hier natuurlijk best verder gaan in het Nederlands, maar ik denk niet dat ik dan veel antwoorden krijg. Wink

Thanks for your reply. I will visit the websites you recommended.

By the way: How comes you read Dutch sometimes?

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Da' Gert.

"Gert" skrev:
Ik wil hier natuurlijk best verder gaan in het Nederlands, maar ik denk niet dat ik dan veel antwoorden krijg.
Jeg vil naturligvis helst svare på hollandsk, men jeg tror ikke, jeg får mange svar. :?:
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By the way: How comes you read Dutch sometimes?

Det er der mange gode grunde til: Jeg har en del Artitec modeller, jeg falder somme tider over f.eks. Linux hjemmesider på hollandsk via Google, og jeg kommer også af og til i Holland, selvom det efterhånden er ved at være længe siden.

Og så har jeg for en del år siden haft en kollega, der var halvt hollandsk; han lærte os de sædvanlige brokker - jeg var helt god til at bande på hollandsk en overgang. Wink Han snakkede også meget om en strand, der hedder Scheveningen, og jeg tror, jeg fik lært at udtale det så nogenlunde korrekt.

Selv er jeg nu mere begejstret for Zuiderzee og den store dæmning. Vi har planlagt at tage min syv-årige med til Holland næste sommer som hans første, store udlandsrejse. Der er noget dejligt over Holland - jeres mentalitet ligner den danske ret meget. Laughing out loud

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Hi Gert.

A nice surprise to see you here.

"Gert" skrev:
So, if I want to have only [u]real[/u] Danish models, should I buy these wagons or should I avoid them?

I recommend them. It's very true that the wagons are not best models of the prototype, but they run well (especially when changing to Roco wheels) and look great. So they are 1 mm too long. I don't care, but that's just me...

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"Gert" skrev:
So, if I want to have only [u]real[/u] Danish models, should I buy these wagons or should I avoid them?Kind regards,Gert

IMO: Vognene har IKKE meget andet end 4 hjul til fælles med forbilledet. For begge vogne gælder at skydevæggene er alt for lave. Hbikks-vognene (den hvide) er oprindeligt svenske vogne som har en helt anden dørform (og fire nærmest kvadratiske døre pr. side).

So they certainly do NOT look like REAL danish models.

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Hi Thomas and John,

Thanks for your advice. Well, now I have to decide whether I will buy these models or not. Difficult...

Anyway, I won't leave Denmark without some good stuff: Hobbykaelderen just mailed me that he has some nice Loksound-decoders ready for me. Besides that, we will probably visit Kystbanen and Gentofte as well.

Hi Lars,

Nice idea to visit Holland. I consider the Northern part as the best (actually I live in the centre of Holland). If you like 'de Zuiderzee' en 'de Afsluitdijk', you might as well like 'de Waddeneilanden'. Our wad-islands are different than Rømø and Fanø. I would like to recommend 'Ameland'. The boat-trip is only 45 minutes and the island is really very nice.

If you don't mind the more crowded parts (I do, that's why I like Denmark so much), you should consider to visit Rotterdam. And especially Railz Miniworld: http://www.railzminiworld.com/

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Da' Gert.

"Gert" skrev:
Nice idea to visit Holland. I consider the Northern part as the best (actually I live in the centre of Holland). If you like 'de Zuiderzee' en 'de Afsluitdijk', you might as well like 'de Waddeneilanden'. Our wad-islands are different than Rømø and Fanø.
Vi besøgte faktisk den dansk-nordtyske del af Vadehavet denne sommer - sønnike troede i første omgang, at han kunne vade fra fastlandet til Sild, men han blev klogere. Laughing out loud
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Ja, da, og Amsterdam og - ikke mindst - Madurodam. Wink Den modelbane ser iøvrigt særdeles interessant ud.

Du glemte at fortælle, om jeg havde forstået dit hollandske så nogenlunde korrekt?

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Hi Lars,

Actually I don't know the meaning of the word 'nogenlunde', so I can't interpreat your last question.

As a matter of fact I learned to read Danish by just starting to read danish newspapers during my hollidays in Denmark. The last few years I recieve the magazin 'Banen' every other month, since one of my friends (Dutch, married to a Danish woman) shares it with me.

By reading Danish on a regular basis, I gets better and better. But I cannot always read everything and I do not have a diary at hand all the time (actually a Danish-Dutch diary does not exist, so I use a Danish-English diary instead).

Madurodam is really nice as well. Last week they showed the models of the yet to be build new stations of a couple of big cities in Holland.

Railz Miniworld though is even better. It's not that big as Minatur Wonderland in Hamburg, but since all models are weathered, I think it's more realistic.

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Hi Gert,

"Gert" skrev:
Actually I don't know the meaning of the word 'nogenlunde', so I can't interpreat your last question.
OK - in English this time: Wink I just wanted to know whether my translation of your Dutch into Danish was more or less ("nogenlunde") accurate?
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Madurodam is really nice as well.

I was there as a kid - and now I want to take my son there as well; I know he'll love it. Laughing out loud

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I see. Yes your translation was actually quite good.

Your son might like our Railway Musem as well: http://www.spoorwegmuseum.nl/nl/

Kind regards,

Gert

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